Timeline for How is Diomedes distinct among the other two "ultimate warriors" of the Achaeans?
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| Jul 24, 2023 at 17:25 | answer | added | David Masner | timeline score: 0 | |
| Jul 19, 2017 at 22:45 | comment | added | Brian Donovan | Why put Diomedes in a class with Achilles and Telamonian Ajax but then exclude Agamemnon, Odysseus, and Patroclus from that same class? Each has at least one aristeia, that is, one episode of divinely inspired supremacy as a fighter, within the Iliad. ("Ultimate warrior," though, smacks rather too much of a comic-book mind-set.) | |
| Jul 18, 2017 at 19:15 | answer | added | DukeZhou | timeline score: 2 | |
| Jul 17, 2017 at 18:11 | comment | added | DukeZhou | @yannis regardless of Achilles powers, whether his nigh invulnerability is due to armor, he's still a demi-god. I like where you're leading with the character aspect, though. It's been a while since I last read the Iliad, but Diomedes was always my favorite Greek fighter, so I'm wondering if there are details I've forgotten (or never picked up in the first place.) | |
| Jul 17, 2017 at 8:58 | comment | added | yannis | Eh, that's a bit of a stretch, isn't it? The spear could have just missed its target or was reflected from Achilles (divine) armour. Now, don't get me wrong, I agree with you that Diomedes is the more impressive of the three, and I find the question fascinating. I just think it's more a matter of character than one of prowess. | |
| Jul 16, 2017 at 21:37 | comment | added | DukeZhou | @yannis There is at least one reference in the Iliad to weapons not piercing Achilles skin: "but the spear-point passed above him and fixed itself in the earth, fain to glut itself with flesh.". The question I might ask you is why was Athena such a staunch benefactor of Diomedes? Could it have something to do with the meaning of his name? | |
| Jul 16, 2017 at 14:12 | comment | added | yannis | I think you're exaggerating the differences between the three heroes. Achilles wasn't invulnerable in the Iliad, that's a much later addition to the myth. And although Diomedes wasn't a demigod, he always had Athena by his side. As for Ajax, great size may offer strength and range, but at the same time it deprives a warrior of speed and stealth. | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 21:20 | comment | added | DukeZhou | @bleh I have some ideas on the subject, but it's been a while since I've studied the epics (as opposed to the dramas) and I'm interested in what others think. | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 21:04 | comment | added | bleh | Probably. That's why you asked this question i suppose :P | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 21:03 | comment | added | DukeZhou | @bleh I think there is much more to Diomedes than just boldness. | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 21:00 | comment | added | bleh | I'm pretty sure it's just a fortune favors the bold thing. | |
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