Homer's epic the Odyssey is mainly about the Greek hero Odysseus' adventures on his way home from the Trojan War, including raiding the Cicones at Ismaros, the lotus eaters, the Cyclops' cave, the Sirens, Scylla and Charybdis, visiting spirits in the Underworld, the Laestragonians, Circe, shipwreck, being detained by Calypso, meeting Nausicaa and her people the Phaeacians, returning to Ithaca in disguise, finding which of his slaves have remained loyal to him, the fight with the suitors, and in the early part of the poem, Odysseus' son Telemachus travelling to seek news of Odysseus. Do we have any evidence as to which of these incidents were invented by Homer when he composed the Odyssey and which were existing legends that he incorporated?

Is it likely Homer able to start with a nearly 'blank canvas' and invent whatever he liked, or would his audience already have preconceptions and expectations as to what the story of Odysseus afteŕ the Trojan War should include, that would have influenced Homer?

Given the vast number of references (even if sometimes contradictory) in ancient Greek mythology to the Trojan War I think we can assume that there were already legends and poems about it.

By 'Homer' I mean the author or authors of the Odyssey. This question is not about whether the epics attributed to Homer were the work of a single author or multiple authors.

  • What research have you done on this topic already? There is a vast body of literature to cover, but just getting your starting point would help narrow it down.
    – cmw
    Commented Jun 18, 2023 at 0:09
  • I have read the introductions and notes to more than one translation and watched various lectures and explanatory videos on YouTube (Jay Pawlyk's are among the most extensive, although he does not have a University post) and some years ago read 'The World of Odysseus' by MI Finley. However, none, that I can recall, really address this question. The ancient philosopher Aristotle wrote that 'Everything suggests that there were other epics before Homer, but we know nothing of them.' Extant European literature begins with Homer, so his sources must be conjectured.
    – Timothy
    Commented Jun 19, 2023 at 13:54

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The short answer is that Homer is clearly drawing on existing fables, stories, myths, and even epics to create his. This much is by necessity. The problem is that the details are and will likely always be unclear.

Alternate traditions abound

I think this is the clearest way to answer your question: not long after Homer, we have numerous stories that directly conflict with the Iliad. The most obvious differences are in names. In the larger Greek tradition, the mother of Oedipus was Jocasta, but in Homer her name is Epicasta.

One huge difference comes with the birth of Aphrodite. In Hesiod's Theogony, who was writing but a generation after Homer, the birth of Aphrodite was a primeval affair; she rose from the foam that was made when Uranus' testicles fell into the sea after Cronus cut them off. This is likely a nod to one of her titles: Aphrodite Urania.

However, in the Iliad she is clearly pictured as the daughter of Zeus, who mentions that her mother is Dione. There is no room for Uranus and a sea-foam birth here. Hesiod, if he knows Homer at all, gets this myth from elsewhere (if he didn't invent it).

Jonathan Burgess in his contribution to the Oxford Classical Dictionary includes another variation:

However, Herodotus (2.117) states that [in the Cypria] Paris and Helen sailed to Troy quickly, whereas Proclus indicates that they were blown off course by a storm to Sidon, which Paris sacked. For Herodotus, this is reason to doubt that Homer composed the Cypria, since Paris is said to have been at Sidon on his way home at Iliad 6.289–292. It seems that either Herodotus or Proclus is mistaken, unless the Cypria existed in variant forms.

Herodotus of course was reading the Cypria hundreds of years before Proclus and a couple hundred years before the Alexandrian scholars would begin the harmonization of the epic cycle.

Homer is an oral poet

This point is really important to keep in mind. Homer wasn't "writing" the Iliad and the Odyssey, but composing it orally. A few scholars suggest that Homer might have had access to writing, and maybe was literate, but even if that's the case, from research on oral tradition, it's clear that he composed this in an oral context first. This is why you get stock phrases like "rosy-fingered dawn" that peppers narrative transitions. You don't get these phrases in the Argonautica or Aeneid, whose authors were clearly literate and were clearly written down first.

Part of the oral epic poet, though, is innovation on the fly with the stock stories. Their methods were laid out in the research of Parry and Lord, who recorded Bosnian poets do the same.

It's too important to be made up whole cloth by one poet

The Trojan War is one of those fundamental stories that show up all over art and literature. It was so important that it colored their interactions with the Persians in the fifth century, festivals were made to recite it in the sixth century, and references outside Homer show up in the very next oldest poets in Greek literature (Hesiod, Hymn to Aphrodite, Arctinus, Archilochus, Sappho, Alcaeus, Stesichorus, etc.)

There really just isn't the time for it to have grown in importance so that the story would be known all over Greece if it were made up by a single person. Even if we assume he was a traveling bard, orally composing two giant epics from scratch without any starting point and then less than a generation later everyone writing as if the story is common knowledge without widespread adoption of writing is implausible and improbable.

So, yes, I'd say there's evidence that Homer didn't make it up.

However, which parts were taken from pre-existing traditions, which parts were adapted from other stories, which parts he invented, and which parts were tacked on later is all still up for debate.

[Parts of this are taken from an article I wrote on Homer and oral tradition that isn't online yet.]

  • Thanks for this answer. This is not a criticism, but it does not really answer my original question. However, you do explain why probably no one can answer it
    – Timothy
    Commented Jun 28, 2023 at 9:08

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